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>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of expect what's going to happen i
>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do...
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you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to you. >> okay. thank you very much, bob. well, thanksgiving is less than a week away, and the trend is growing for stores like walmart to be open for business that day. shoppers seem to love it, but workers, for obvious reasons, do not. >> yeah, some walmart workers are now pledging to walk out if they are forced to work on that holiday. walmart has already said they plan to open at 8:00 p.m. on thanksgiving. joining us now, a husband and wife, greg and charr lean fletcher, both employees of walmart. both scheduled to work different shifts on thanksgiving day. we welcome you. greg, you have said
you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to...
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boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5 trillion worth of real spending cuts. that would come from defense. it would come from entitlement programs. it would come from the other mandatory programs. that's what makes the most sense to take it from because those are the areas that are really growing at an accelerated rate, faster than the rate of growth of health care. i think that's doable. i think we can find the votes to do that because i think the american people are way ahead of the politicians. they realize we got a real problem in this country and we got to fix it. >> what do you think, senator? i
boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5...
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president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time around. do you think the president will be as involved or can he hand this off to someone else to negotiate? >> i think he'll be as involved. i think he'll be involved inside the room and outside of the room. the strategic turn the president made in fall of 2011 after the failure of the talks, he took the case to the public. i don't think he'll stop doing that. he'll try to keep the pressure on say i got mandate to raise taxes for people at the top. if you are willing to accept that, we'll get a deal. >> there code words you'll look for afterwards to see whether or
president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time...
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he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're ashamed of it. >> if we do get our house in order, future of america is really bright. if we don't, we're well on our way it to becoming a second rate power. >> bowles sees a one third chan of a deal during the lame duck session of congress. a one third chance nothing gets done and the economy moves into chaos. let's hear in michael gurhka. the economy moving in to chaos, is that why we're seeing this market action? >> i'm not surprised because on the equity side, it's always about confidence and right now a lot of politicians have not given the market any confidence whatsoever. so
he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're...
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. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certai
. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the...
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. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an openness really to raising revenue as part of a bargain? >> well, the tone was right. i think that that is something that certainly should be being a flojed. because there is no question when you heard the language after the statement we want to -- we're willing to see new revenues, what speaker boehner said and what the republicans are saying is that in fact the revenues can only come from economic growth. now of course as democrats we also believe in economic growth, growing jobs but we also say that we do need some hard revenues in the short term if we're going to be serious about bringing down this deficit an
. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an...
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can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed doors we'll get in detail. for the first time we're close and why throw away the opportunity. >> can i just mention how many jokes joe would have made about being behind closeds doors and consummating and that whole thing and that's why joe needs to be on the show and he's not. i'm doing a poor job that he would have made seven or eight jokes would have been made. let me just ask jared, the 39.6 in my mind seems like it is a bottom line, a starting point an an end point for the president. can you envision a deal being done on the fiscal cliff t
can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed...
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this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of where they go on this menu of options that's going to lead to whether or not they have votes to do it on capitol hill. >> there's a detail there. cut through it for me if you will. a lot of people around seem to suggest that they're going to get this thing tied up really quite quickly. my concern is that obama is beginning to grandstand. if you look at who he's meeting with, it looks like he might be preparing for a huge fight for his legacy, which actually might push us further back than a lot of people have bargained for. >> what you'll see with obama meeting with progres
this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of...
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also, president obama and house speaker boehner both laying out their demands for a fiscal cliff deal. now we have both sides on the record. two top negotiators explain why side has the better cards to play right now and what their starting points say about the odds of getting a deal done. that should be interesting coming up. >>> and then did you see this video of israel killing the top military commander of hamas? now they may be open warfare in that region. oil prices are spiking on this developing story. we'll take you live to the story. stay with us. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a bi
also, president obama and house speaker boehner both laying out their demands for a fiscal cliff deal. now we have both sides on the record. two top negotiators explain why side has the better cards to play right now and what their starting points say about the odds of getting a deal done. that should be interesting coming up. >>> and then did you see this video of israel killing the top military commander of hamas? now they may be open warfare in that region. oil prices are spiking on...
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spier boehner came so and sang the first version and president obama sang the second verse. they'll find a middle ground because there's a mandate for it and everybody knows what the issues are. so i actually am very optimistic that we'll have some pain in the short run, maybe three to six months, we'll start moving towards an end game and that's where investors should be positioned for. remember what wayne gretzky said. he was successful because he traded to where the puck was going, now where it is now. >> and a compromise involves higher taxes somewhere, so what does that do for your clients and investments? >> what i love that richard lefrak said is that wealth has been convicted and we're just waiting for the sentencing. that really puts it in context. because the wealthy, whatever that means and whatever they decide wealthy people are, with already knowing that they'll pay more. one of the things that's interesting is once that happens, and i believe that's the beginning rounds, all eyes will be turning to, okay, great, that's done, the villain is out of the room. >> i
spier boehner came so and sang the first version and president obama sang the second verse. they'll find a middle ground because there's a mandate for it and everybody knows what the issues are. so i actually am very optimistic that we'll have some pain in the short run, maybe three to six months, we'll start moving towards an end game and that's where investors should be positioned for. remember what wayne gretzky said. he was successful because he traded to where the puck was going, now where...
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. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan said. the house was re-elected. so people re-elected those people in the house for a reason. it's a nonstarter. it's not going to happen. it's not going to be 1.6 billion. 1.6 trillion. to get to four trillion, that would be 2.4. so we said that. he'll go not 3-1 like simpson bowles. he's go one and a half to one. >> that's not going to happen either. >> but what bothers me -- >> the problem is nothing is going to happen. >> what bothers me is i do think you can get to a point where you raise taxes too much and you don't cut spending enough, where you're just funding entitlements by raising taxes and you don't
. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan...
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i think that speaker boehner, on the conversation that he had recently, shows that he is ready to move into a different direction. i think that he was ready to make a deal before. but his confidence was such i believe held to grover norquist that they couldn't move on the revenue. >> has that changed? has that changed? >> i think so. the fact that the president was reelected, the fact we have gaped seats in the house, the fact that we are two years from another election, i think that has changed. the fact that a lot of the tea partiers have lost or in very lee election and/or two years of experience. have to understand there is a real compromise in working together in trying to get something done. and i have confidence as a result that we will get something done. >> let's talk a little bit about the tragedy that befelled much of your district in keeps, the rockaways and many of those folks out there. are customers of line park the long island power authority what is your message to lipa today? are you satisfied with their response? >> no, their response was much too slow. you are suppo
i think that speaker boehner, on the conversation that he had recently, shows that he is ready to move into a different direction. i think that he was ready to make a deal before. but his confidence was such i believe held to grover norquist that they couldn't move on the revenue. >> has that changed? has that changed? >> i think so. the fact that the president was reelected, the fact we have gaped seats in the house, the fact that we are two years from another election, i think...
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. >> if you saw a headline, boehner-obama to agree to long-term solution, you would hit buy first on com? >> we no longer have to worry about rising above? >> i think we'll see that as a joke. >> only up 3% to 5% between now and tuesday. that's not their focus. >> i understand. >> but remember when germany went down, when the german forces went down. those are countries that are dominated by rich people. a lot of those companies are plutocrasies. i think when their market went down, they said holy cow, maybe we ought to do something, maybe monty ought to get together, our country t.a.r.p., that first vote, i think people said, okay, i'm going to have to work the rest of my life, there goes my 401(k) and the congressmen rise above. i hope it doesn't take that. i hope it didn't. >> we do have some media news today, viacom is out with some numbers. >> viacom is not as bad as i had feared. the market numbers down about 6% for the company which is perhaps a little bit better than might have been expected. if you take a look over the last few weeks has been down somewhat dramatically. look
. >> if you saw a headline, boehner-obama to agree to long-term solution, you would hit buy first on com? >> we no longer have to worry about rising above? >> i think we'll see that as a joke. >> only up 3% to 5% between now and tuesday. that's not their focus. >> i understand. >> but remember when germany went down, when the german forces went down. those are countries that are dominated by rich people. a lot of those companies are plutocrasies. i think when...
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you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said and i think we'll have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010 where it was a clear mandate cut spending and we did, we cut $900 billion in spending that he can't like painful tos us. >> we'll continue our call to rise bol politics and make a deal. oufr guests this morning include mike jackson and also david zaslav. and the head of maris group. and douglas holtz-eakin. >> let's talk about eurozone finance ministers meeting to discuss whether to release a new tranche of fund to go greece. the leaders are not expected it to okay the fun
you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said...
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we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i also -- you can toss in there we had the downgrade of france even though s&p downgraded earlier this year and moodies did it this time. we'll see articles over the next tl three to four days and over the weekend with problems with the bailout facility when there's not enough aaa rated countries in there. you'll see more negative news out on that. >> good to speak with you. andy bush. for more currency trades, watch "money in motion." we're off this friday but back next friday. you can get your fix online. >> we are awaiting a speech from fed chairman ben bernanke later today. we'll have a preview and analysis
we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i...
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speaker boehner said he's willing to entertain more revenue. the president should take him up on that offer and they ought to come together and find some way through this. the republican party has got to take a good luook at what its future holds but a good start will be coming together to solve this problem. >> governor, nancy pelosi of course out this morning says she's going to run again for some leadership in the congress. is that a signal that the white house is going to remain more partisan perhaps than some hope? >> actually, i don't think so. you know, nancy pelosi was the one who produced the votes for the financial bailout. you all recall that. there weren't republican votes even when president bush proposed it and secretary paulson. nancy found the votes. nancy is good at finding the votes out of our progressive wing and the president will need votes from our progressive wing and nancy is a good person to do that. >> we'll see how things go down this afternoon and later in the week. governor, lanhee good to see you back. don't be a s
speaker boehner said he's willing to entertain more revenue. the president should take him up on that offer and they ought to come together and find some way through this. the republican party has got to take a good luook at what its future holds but a good start will be coming together to solve this problem. >> governor, nancy pelosi of course out this morning says she's going to run again for some leadership in the congress. is that a signal that the white house is going to remain more...
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marginal rate back to 39.6 we're not going to do a deal, and i can tell you that the guys in the house and boehner, they really want to do this, this limiting deductions, limiting loopholes, raising effective rates, but lowering nominal rates. they want to do it that way but the president may say no and those guys in the house will say no and we might, it might happen. >> it might, but look, this is a leadership moment. we have a a leader who now has second term. he's a president. he's a fascinating individual in many respects. he's part of the problem. >> what gives you any indication he'll lead in this case? >> maybe he'll wake up to the fact that he has a chance to cut through the polarization and leave a winning legacy. this is his chance to rise above. give him a button. >> there you go. thank you for that, steve. we have more ahead from steve. coming up, we're going to talk about several stocks on the move ahead of the opening bell. we'll get down to "mad money's" jim cramer. "squawk on the street," jim cramer right after this. sometimes investing opportunities are hard to spot. you have to
marginal rate back to 39.6 we're not going to do a deal, and i can tell you that the guys in the house and boehner, they really want to do this, this limiting deductions, limiting loopholes, raising effective rates, but lowering nominal rates. they want to do it that way but the president may say no and those guys in the house will say no and we might, it might happen. >> it might, but look, this is a leadership moment. we have a a leader who now has second term. he's a president. he's a...
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after the election, boehner came out, thought he'd move some, and then obama came out the next day, and in the early part of his speech, he looked good. and all of a sudden he starts digging in. if you look at what the stock market did, it immediately dropped. came back a little bit that day, but immediately dropped. that's what's in people's minds and it's scaring the heck out of them. we have to have some solution. >> when we look to europe, it's a very similar scenario. we have all these issues revolving around greece and maybe to a lesser extent, spain, and it seems about the same dynamics. that it isn't results oriented, it's idle the car and hope things get better while you're sitting in there, hunkered down. >> that's absolutely the case. they have been spinning their wheels. fortunately for us, we've gotten away from the european situation, somewhat. because it looks like our economy can gain some traction. but it's immediately going to grind to a halt if we don't see something. >> you know, there's one area, there's one area that doesn't have the luxury to postpone results. and
after the election, boehner came out, thought he'd move some, and then obama came out the next day, and in the early part of his speech, he looked good. and all of a sudden he starts digging in. if you look at what the stock market did, it immediately dropped. came back a little bit that day, but immediately dropped. that's what's in people's minds and it's scaring the heck out of them. we have to have some solution. >> when we look to europe, it's a very similar scenario. we have all...
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at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the expiration of the high income tax cuts which they proposed to get rid of. apples to apples, in terms of the way people are currently adding up their math, it's approximately a 1:1 ratio. >> erskine bowles said you should look at 3:1 in terms of spending cuts to revenue. >> i'm just saying what was in bowles-simpson. >> let's not forget about growth, we need to stimulate growth and a lot of it on the innovation side. >> david thank you, appreciate it i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again i
at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the...